The Real Ghostbusters News Alert - Shanna's Siren Song Stolen From She-Ra!

Oh wow, interesting discovery. Leaves me hoping that one day we’ll have a cleaned up copy of Shanna’s song, even if achieved with segments of “Love on the streets". Good luck with the email reply.

I really wish the Shuki Levy back catalog wasn’t so hard to track down, as the stuff used in the series during it’s prime is so deserving of an official release.

Paul, you might get a kick out of these. First, copyright info on “Love on the Streets":

http://www.faqs.org/copyright/im-coming-back-for-you-digital-love-love-on-the-streets/

Second: More snippets of “Love on the Streets", including arrangement segments and near matching lyrics from Banshee:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ9ZzSEgMdQ

I’m convinced we can make a cleaned up version of the RGB arrangement.

Awesome finds, Ben

The copyright info gives us three near-duplicate listings, which I combined into the following:

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Love on the Streets
* Document numbers: V2214P375 / V2214P381 / V2214P359
* Date of Recordation: February 6, 1987
* Entire Copyright Documents: V2214P375-380 / V2214P381-385 / V2214P359-368
* Title: Love on the streets / By Lisa Popiel, Noam Kaniel & Mike Piccirillo. (Macron I)
* Variant title: Macron I
* Title appears in Documents: Dennis the menace & 56 other titles; musical compositions. / Get along gang & 67 other titles; musical compositions.
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There’s some interesting things to be noted here.

* She-Ra came out in 1985, so the 1987 date is probably when the song’s owner finally decided to copyright it - or it’s the copyright for a specific recording done in 1987.

* Noam Kaniel is listed as one of the songwriters, so that gels with what James Eatock said about the singer of the She-Ra version.

* The variant title “Macron I” matches something I found on Youtube (see below).

* I wonder if the song was also used in an episode of “Dennis the Menace” (the 1980s DiC version) and “The Get Along Gang". Both series are mentioned in the copyright info, but the “and other titles” could mean that all music cues and songs were copyrighted en masse.

More interesting stuff is found in that Youtube link. Specifically some of the suggested videos on the right side of the page. There’s one from Isinia1979 that plays both the Real Ghostbusters and She-Ra clips. I guess I wasn’t the only one to find that little gem on the She-Ra DVD and realize its other use :-) The description for the video says that Linda Gary was the singer in The Real Ghostbusters episode. I don’t know where Isinia1979 got this information, so I don’t know if its true or not. It certainly could be, but I’d need a solid source before I believe it to be fact. James Eatock is a reliable source for The Real Ghostbusters voice info (he has the cast call sheets, after all), and all he could tell me was who the speaking voice of Shanna was.

There’s another video that has clips from a foreign dub of a show apparently called “GoShogun (Macron 1)”. Recognize that title? It was listed in the copyright data as a variant title for the song. The video is asking for help in identifying songs used in that show, and sure enough, skip ahead to 4:50 and you’ll hear “Love on the Streets". I don’t know when that clip in the video was made, so I don’t know if the song’s use in this series is before or after She-Ra and The Real Ghostbusters.

Wikipedia says the series only ran for one series, from the summer of 1981 to December of the same year. A poster on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqu4vAFTGrI

-Says that the song appears within the first three episodes of the European Dub.

I wonder if it’d be worth trying to get in contact with Noam Kaniel directly, after Haim and Shuki, he’s the next likely person to still have a copy if one still exists… could even put us on the track of the “Shana” rendition.

What we don’t know is if the European dub came out the same time as the series originally did in 1981. It could have been years later when the European dub was done and it was shown as a “new” series in Europe.

I wonder if the music is the same in all dubs or if new music was created. Usually all dubs of a show would use the same music & effects audio track (see RGB as an example), but there’s always the possibility of that not being the case here.

I agree that we should contact Noam, but I haven’t a clue where to get a hold of him. He doesn’t have an official website, as far as I can tell.

Well that blows my Linda Gary theory out of the water.

Cool finds Paul and Ben. I have been down this path once when the question was raised on Ghostbusters Wiki. Anyways, Mine was a guess based on what all I read from youtube and known history of RGB actors.

http://ghostbusters.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Banshee_Bake_a_Cherry_Pie%3F

There’s someone who goes by his name, and appears to have his photo, on Facebook.

Ben, I found two pages for Noam Kaniel on Facebook: a profile and a page. I just sent a friend request to the profile; the page just seems to be a generic page using text from Wikipedia, so no sense paying any further attention to it. If my friend request is accepted, and that profile is for the right Noam Kaniel, I’ll message him and see if we can get further information on this.

Devilmanozzy, I doubt any of the voice actors would have had anything to do with the creation or inclusion of music in *any* animated series - aside from those who may be singing in character or singing the series theme (such as Cree Summer on Rugrats’ “All Grown Up!"). Usually the music is done long after they’ve done their jobs. I think the *original* production of an animation show/movie is generally created in this order: script, voices, animation, music and effects. The last two are probably done in tandem by two different sets of people, who each record their work to a rough copy of the film that is just animation and voices. I could be wrong about this, but I think that’s generally correct for *new* productions (as opposed to doing new language tracks for a pre-existing work).

Just out of curiosity, where did you get the info that Linda Gary sung the song for RGB? Is it from the description on Isinia1979’s youtube video? I’d like to get a solid source for that info as I have no way of otherwise knowing if it’s accurate or not.

I noticed on the Wiki’s “Banshee Bake…” page, it says that the ep title is derived from a 1983 film titled “Can She Bake a Cherry Pie?". Actually, it’s from a much older source. There’s an old folk song called “Billy Boy” which contains the lyrics

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Can she bake a cherry pie,
Billy Boy, Billy Boy?
Can she bake a cherry pie,
Charming Billy?
She can bake a cherry pie,
Quick as a cat can wink an eye,
She’s a young thing
And cannot leave her mother.
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Some sources say “bake a cherry pie” and some say “make a cherry pie”.

I don’t know how old the folk song is, but I heard Jed Clampett sing it in an episode of The Beverly Hillbillies, and that was in the 1960s! The 1983 film definitely took its title from that song, as did RGB. And, yes, I agree with the writers that their punny “Banshee Bake A Cherry Pie?” is a horrible title.

I also noticed on the Wiki’s “Shanna” page, it says, “Her singles Love on the Streets Tonight and Love Makes me Live, from her debut album…” It’s been a while since I’ve seen the episode, but I’m pretty sure that she only had one song in the episode. In the RGB universe the song is called “Love Makes Me Live", but in our real-world it’s known as “Love on the Streets". A correction on the page might be in order, maybe with a note to clear up any possible confusion stemming from two different song titles being for the same song :-)

Well “Love on the Streets” is what they call the song in the Venkman Dream Sequence, while the song that blows up the stereo at the start of the episode is called “Love Makes me Live". It may be the same song, but the show character Peter didn’t treat it that way. Also, look at the script for “Banshee Bake A Cherry Pie?” and look at page 21 of the script were point blank says the song “Love on the Streets” by “Saban Productions” is included on cassette for the use for the show. I’m not sure if you saw that/noted that earlier.

Thanks for noted inconstancy on the wiki, I’ll look into them tonight.

The song isn’t actually credited as “Love on the Streets", the video jockey doesn’t name it at all, and despite the lyrics being “Love on the Streets", Peter remarks “and that chartbuster was “Love Makes me Live” after his stereo blew up.

Although the script notes the song’s real-world title, the broadcasted episode gives it the alternate “Love Makes me Live” title.

Nevermind, they didn’t name the song in the episode when Venkman was in dream. Sigh. Think I need to take a break from this. Anyways.

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm42/devilmanozzy/RGB_34_SCR_Banshee-22.png

Great catch in the episode script. I haven’t read any of the scripts from the DVD box set yet, so I didn’t even know it was mentioned there.

The mention in the script that you provided is a note for production use, not for what the song would be called in the episode itself. But it does bring up some interesting questions. At what point in writing the script did Hickey & McCoy know that “Love on the Streets” from Saban’s music library was going to be used? I just checked the script from the DVD, and it’s at least the second draft. The cover page lists the first draft as 5/14/86, with this draft being a revision from 5/27/86. Maybe there was no mention of the song in the first draft, then after it was submitted, Hickey & McCoy were told what song would be used, so they made a note about it in future drafts.

The other line of thinking is that Hickey & McCoy, knowing that they needed a song to use there, and knowing that Saban was doing the music for the series, went to Saban while they were writing the script and asked him for a song to use, and then noted it in the script. The script note mentions that a cassette with the song on it is being included with that hard copy of the script, so that would mean that they had gotten a copy from Saban before they finished and submitted that draft.

Anyone know how to get a hold of Hickey & McCoy? I’d love to ask them about it… and maybe see if they still have a copy of that cassette!

I’m actually rather surprised that it was mentioned in the script since I thought the music would have been chosen much later in the production of the episode… and certainly not while the script was being written.

Jodi Carlisle makes sense in that she voiced Candy and Alice Derleth in “The Collect Call of Cathulhu.” That and this Banshee episode were both in the syndicated run and not too far apart in production order. I’m not very good at identifying most VAs but it sorta sounds like not-Jodi during the music video.

That was my mistake with the article on the GB wikia, I concluded there were two singles in the episode. Upon listening to them back to back, it’s the same song. Paul is 100% correct that in-universe, the single is called “Love Makes Me Live” (DVD timestamp 03:16-03:18) but in reality, it is the “Love on the Streets” (even though they didn’t bother covering it up too much in the lyrics sung during Peter’s music video dream). I must have heard the “Love on the Streets” during the music video and just concluded it was a second single, being ignorant of this stuff until later on.

Wow.. apparently so much has happened since I made that ditty video over a year ago. I’ll definitely make the changes to the video and description and point links to here. As to the Linda Gary being the singer, I had found an old webpage that had small details of her career but I never was able to find it again. After seeing this page it is very clear it wasn’t her but after all that, it was just an honest guess on my part. For some reason my brain didn’t tick to check the scripts on the DVD either so thats what happens when one goes bonkers. Anyways, I really hope to see this song being found in complete for sometime. :)

Isinia, thanks for adding a link to my page in the description of your video. I bet we’re probably the only ones on the entire internet with pages discussing this obscure song :-)

Noam Kaniel, after a few months, approved by friend request on Facebook, so I’m gonna post a request and link on his page to see if he can provide any more info on the song.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Noam-Kaniel/664077926
(http://www.facebook.com/noam.kaniel.1)

I received a reply from Noam. I added it to the bottom of the article above. If I hear more from him, that’s where I’ll put the additional info.

Nice! Real awesome to see that some progress made.

Awesome to hear this great news! I really hope to hear more news on this! Finally I won’t need that cheap recorded tape I have here. The fans are counting on ya! :D

Hi all guys)))
Big Hi from Russia, Moscow)

No you are not the only ones who is in search of this song on entire internet)))

I was also done some long research about this) but unfortunately im dig far than you guys(((

But hope the situation will change, and we will find the clear version of this great song)))

As soon as I will discover something new about this song i will post here))) Best luck all))))))

P.S. and great that you got reply from Noam, spookcentral)))

Hi guys. So, as I understood the original version of this soundtrack wasn’t found yet:( That’s very pity… I wasted some hours by finding this tune everywhere I can imagine - different music resources, social networks, movie databases, forums, etc… but this page still consists the mostly full information about it. Now there are five or six mp3-files of this song on my HDD with different size, lenght and quality - but all of them contains the same audio-stream grabbed from a cartoons. So I’m surrending now:) Thank you, spookcentral - you’ve made a really good job trying to find the original version of “Love On The Streets", hope you’ll do it sooner or later.
Lovebeams from Saint-Petersburg, Russia:)
Cya!

Yeah, unfortunately the full version is not found yet(((
I just hope that someday, here will be some news about it)))

From Russia(Moscow) with Love)))

P.S. yeah, the same here - a lot of different versions in my hdd too but yep, all the same - unfull rips from cartoons…)

This song has haunted me since I was 5 years old and I have checked this page from time to time over the years and I would just like to thank everybody that has worked so hard on this, it is greatly appreciated. I think Shanna may have actually been my first crush LOL. I think the time has come now to make this song again keeping what is available in tact and just filling in the gaps so it can at least be a 3 to 4 minute song. It would be great to make this some kind of internet community project. I think as fans of the RGB we can put this together in a way that would do it justice, pay homage, and in a way get some kind of closure to this mystery by giving it a life of its own.